1. Josh Rose talks Mariners Culture

March 23, 2020 00:39:46
1. Josh Rose talks Mariners Culture
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1. Josh Rose talks Mariners Culture
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  Josh Rose talks Mariners Culture with Brendan Rogers. Josh shares his thoughts about culture, leadership and teamwork during his time as a professional footballer at the Central Coast Mariners. We contrast his stints from 2010-2013 when the Mariners were a successful club against the latter part of his career where they may have been considered the 'easy beats' of the A-League. Josh Rose talks Mariners Culture with Brendan Rogers   If you have any questions for Brendan around this episode or generally around culture, leadership or teamwork, feel free to contact him here.
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Speaker 0 00:03 Welcome to the culture of things point Brendan Rodgers. This is a podcast where we talk culture, leadership and teamwork plus business in school. Speaker 1 00:21 Hello and welcome to episode one, our very first episode of the culture of things podcast. I'm Brendan Rogers and today I'm have the great privilege to introduce a friend of mine, a guy I've known for a little bit of time, Josh Rose. Josh, how are you mate? Good, thanks Brandon area. Very well. Mike, thank you very much for agreeing to come on to our first episode. Appreciate having you not a problem at all late before you tell us a bit about your esteem football career. We've known each other for a little while, about 20 years now. So you're just telling me off air about the big decisions you made and moving to Brisbane and tell us a bit about that. Yeah, look, us Speaker 2 00:56 singing, I was singing about it on the drive over here and I'm thinking about how big a change it was for me at the time. A young boy moving from Rocky to Brisbane. And, uh, I think a few, few people close to me in Rockhampton told me to, um, you know, challenge myself a bit and type, try and take it to a higher level. And, you know, one of the biggest things looking back was, uh, the decision to go to Wynnum football club. And I think one of the best things there were the people that surrounded me. Just a really good mix of, um, you know, experience plans. I think we had Stevie foreshore hood who'd played at the highest level, someone like that to, to look up to guys like yourself who had been around the league for a while. So it was, it was good for me as a, as a young player to, to just be surrounded by good mentors, good people. And you know, it was a really good bunch of boys. Speaker 1 01:52 Unfortunately, my football career never took off like yours, but it sounds like I contributed to helping you. Is that right? Yeah. Look, everyone, everyone helped in their own little way. Fantastic. Thank you mate. I appreciate it. Um, so today I wanna talk to you, I've see you're an ex Mariners play. You've also played overseas professional football in Romania. Today I want to focus a little bit more about Sinterklaas Mariners and your experience there because you are one of the players that that was around Syncros Mariners and playing for that club for quite a long time. You were brought across there by Graham Arnold in 2010 and Arnie I think fair to say based on the results built up a pretty solid team. So you are part of that starting point and but you're also there during the, uh, I guess the not so good days in the, in the, you know, the issues that the performances on the field wounds as great as what the community and the fans would have liked. So how about you tell us a little bit about your footballing sort of journey, um, just to give the listeners a bit of a, a background on what you've done so far? Speaker 2 02:55 Yeah, look, I think my football was, it was a hard graft always. I think coming from Rocky as an 18, 19 year old, I didn't have that tag of someone who'd come through an Institute or an Academy. So I think that followed me around a lot in this country, especially in Australia. You know, it probably wasn't until I took the plunge and when I over to Romania where I probably in a few more stripes and a little bit more, uh, accreditation I think. Um, but you know, it's sometimes it's, it's really, you gotta take yourself out of that comfort zone to, to prove yourself I think. And I was never, I was never afraid of doing that, which, which definitely helped in the long run. You know, you just got to go and do things with no fear. And I think moving to Romania was a big, was a big change for me, but it really opened my eyes up to what football means to the people in that country. Speaker 2 03:53 And then you know, how grateful they are just to play the game at that level. So to see that and to bring that back to Australia and even to instill that in my own kids is all the kids at the Academy is, is you know, something unique. I think so now that was a massive help along the journey. But um, yeah, look, moving to the Mariners in 2010, I think it was, was, uh, it was one of those big decisions that we spoke about before with moving to Wynnum at 1819. It was a choice between Brisbane or central coast. We chose central coast to, to move away from Brisbane. We'd lived there for a long time, so we wanted to, my wife and I wanted to challenge ourselves and take ourselves out of the comfort zone. So at that time, central coast where we're a very successful club, I think they played in two grand finals white, they'd won a premiership. Speaker 2 04:46 So, you know, it wasn't a, a decision that you'd go, you know, I'm going to a club that's struggling or whatever. And Graham Arnold, the next Socceroos coach. I saw it as a fantastic opportunity to, to improve my game and, and meet someone who I held in high regard. So, you know, I came here with a, with an open mind and it, it really turned out pretty, pretty great for the first few years. Yeah. It, uh, it changed after a little while, you know, things, things go around in cycles. I think a lot of football teams and things like that can go in cycles. So, you know, I was there when the team was on top of the leg and I was there when the team was on the bottom of the Lake. So, you know, there's definitely, um, a few differences that I've noticed that we'll, we'll touch on today I think. And um, definitely let's, let's talk about that. The early days so that the glory days, I guess we can call them that sort of 2010 to 2013, as you said, they were quite successful club, I think, fair to say, punching above their weight, you know, when they league first started as well. Right, right through to that timeframe. Graham Arnold obviously thought a lot about you as a player Speaker 1 05:58 because you were the first, you were his first signing, I understand as well. Is that right? Speaker 2 06:02 Yeah, it was I think a two to be honest. I think Ani and heard about me from Romania and actually seen me play. Um, so I was in conversation with him. There was talk of me coming to trial for the, for the team and I said, yeah, I'd agreed to it. But, um, I was actually training with gold coast United with Mira and blow Berger at the time, so I was sort of tossing up between them as well. And then Arnie was still involved with the Socceroos at the time and he had Jason Colina and John McCain in a camp with him and I think they both said to him, look, if he's, if you're gonna sign him, sign in quickly. And, and he pretty much rang me straight away and said, we'll get the deal done. So, uh, thanks to those two firms for help getting it over the line. But yeah, at, um, it was a, it was a good choice in the end. Speaker 1 06:50 Tell us about those, I guess those years. So in this interview we really want to contrast those glory days versus I guess where the Marin has had been over the last several years unfortunately. So just tell us a bit about your experiences as a player, um, your interaction in the team, really diving into it from a teamwork and from a leadership leadership perspective and Graham Arnold's influence in the group in those first few years. Speaker 2 07:14 Yeah, look, Arnie was fantastic. He, um, he, he really bought into the, to the central coast culture back then. Um, I mean that's the first thing you notice come to a club like central coast. Back then the culture was talked about throughout the league massively, you know, and it didn't disappoint. It was a fantastic bunch of boys. It was really, it was a place that you loved coming to, to train every day. I didn't feel like changing. It didn't feel like work. It was just some way you loved being. Yeah, it, it really showed on the pitch. Every, everyone had trust in each other. Um, everyone respected each other. And I think back then it just, the vibe through the whole organization, um, was just a really good vibe and look, don't get me wrong. Re results help. That results definitely helped that um, you know, eat, it's easy to, um, for things like that, uh, an atmosphere on our environment to change when results change. So luckily enough back then we had good results. Um, I think we, we rarely lost two or three games in a row and, and uh, you know, we continued to punch well above our weight, um, year on year. So, you know, I think that really helped with everything from the office staff all the way through. Speaker 1 08:34 You mentioned the word culture a couple of times and being a great culture. You also mentioned the word trust, which I know, again, talking offline is a really important part of, of building teamwork and leadership. So what is it, what was it about the culture and you talked about getting, coming into your workplace I, which was the, the training pitch and you know, it wasn't a chore. It didn't feel like work. What it about Speaker 2 08:56 the environment that really made it such a great culture. Yeah. Look, I think everyone knew that if they did their job and I did it properly, or they did it to 100%, then that was well-respected. Um, you know, we, we knew that mistakes would happen. We knew that, you know, as, as players, we had trust in, uh, Graham Arnold and Mosley and Clarkie and JC and everyone else in the coaching staff there. If we lost the game or if you were struggling in the first half, then, you know, we trusted them. We knew that if we, if we worked hard and limited our mistakes, we'd get to halftime and they'd be able to change something and majority of the time we'd come out and get the win. And those things help build trust. Um, and, and then that helps build the respect that we have for each other. Speaker 2 09:47 So over time, that just built and built and it was, um, you know, it just created this great environment, um, that really, you know, I kept building year on year and from it. So you spoke a little bit about the coaching staff and the, the respect that mutual respect you, you had players and coaching stuff. What about amongst the playing group? What, what did, what were you guys doing as a group to, to really foster and build those relationships and trust amongst the group? Yeah, look, we, we were genuinely all good friends. Um, you know, we had a crew that sort of traveled from Sydney for training every day and I traveled together. Uh, some would stay for the week at a, at a caravan park and, and things like that. We had boys would go for coffees, we have the families. I may, Noni as a coach would always organize, um, like get togethers and make sure families were always there. Speaker 2 10:44 We did, uh, you know, plenty of community engagements where we were there as a team. Coaching staff included. Uh, we were just, we were just always together. We always had that genuine respect for each other. I don't know if everyone were really good mates of the field that, you know, you're never going to be really good mates with everyone, but you just had that genuine respect when you, when you're on the field or on the training page, you just, he, he's your teammate, you do anything to help your teammates. And that's, that's the feeling that we had. It's a great point. I mean, you're in the, in the trenches, so to speak, when the going is tough, you knew that you could rely on your team mate, which makes a massive difference. Definitely. Definitely. Let's talk for a little bit about Graham Anil's influence on the team again. Speaker 2 11:30 You know, he, he saw and you, uh, you spent a number of years with Ernie. Uh, he's had a very successful coaching now coach of the Socceroos and doing great, great things with Clarkie. So just his leadership on the group. Tell us a bit about that and how it impacted you. Yeah. Look, I think a J in genuinely cared more about, you know, he genuinely cared about the person. Firstly, I think I'm <inaudible> you got that sense. I think, you know, the few people that try and probably say they care about the person but you know, little things they do probably don't show that we were, he genuinely did. I think he did a really good job of, of masking the boys of probably outside influences, whether that was within the club or outside the club, whether it was, um, you know, organizations trying to attack our organization or you know, the clubs struggling, which, which we did in uh, uh, the year we won the grand final. Speaker 2 12:29 Obviously there was a financial struggle. Um, you know, the players were sheltered from that. I think, um, you know, Arnie obviously had all the inside information and, and sort of drip fed what he felt we needed to know. And then he reassured that what we need to concentrate on is our job, which is the football side. And if we take care of the football side, he can take care of the rest and you know, and that helped us really concentrate on what we needed to be doing. Great to hear again, you know, allowed you to focus on your job. And, and even when you set off offline that, uh, you know, when the pay wasn't coming in, that's, that's when you sort of wonder, or you thought that, okay, there might be a few problems here, but you were really early sheltered the players from that and let you focus on the, on the job at him, which was winning football matches. Speaker 2 13:18 Yeah, that's right. That, that was our job. And, um, you know, I think he even paid a few of the young boys out of his own pocket and till they were sorted and made sure everyone was good and, and he was in constant conversation with everyone and making sure everything was was fine and, and things like that. And, and like I said, he'd, he'd let us know on the situation as to how much we needed to know and, and how much we didn't need to know and things like that. So it was always good. And, uh, you know, we felt like we had, we genuinely had someone behind our back, uh, finding our fights. So it was good. And as a player to know that your coach cared about you and your, your leader of the team cared about you that much I'd, how did that make you feel on the, on the pitch and, and training? Speaker 2 14:03 Oh yeah, definitely. You know, and not even just <inaudible> was their captain back then and you know, we had the leadership group of guys like Patty and <inaudible> and the sort of guys and you know, you knew they always had your back as well. It was, it was, they were part of that coaching staff and, and United our, our leadership group at the time and, and they always looked out for us as well. So it was not just, you know, fighting for that 90 minutes for the coaches. It was fighting for that leadership group fighting for each other and you know, fighting for the young boys, making sure they had a good foundation to, to build into and things like that. We were all just one, one really good unit. I think sales, like you'd walk over hot coals for each other. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was pretty much like that. Speaker 2 14:50 You know, talk about the community. Cause again the, the mirror from my perspective and outside of looking in and being on the coast for a period of time, the Mariners seem to be a lot more involved in the actual central coast community back in those glory days. Tell us a bit about that and your involvement in the players in the community and how that seem to spur you guys on as a team and to really create, help create something special. Yeah. Look, we did a massive amount of community work back then. I think we did the club nights with a lot of the local clubs and uh, we, we do a lot of coaching. Um, yeah. Coaching club nights, sign autographs, give out posters, little things like that. And, and I think the, you know, the kids in the parents and all the local clubs, they felt that genuine connection with Marin is back then. Speaker 2 15:38 And you know, we'd see the kids on the, on the Saturday or the Sunday behind the fence and they, they'd give you a big wave and we'd wave back. And you know, when kids get that, it's, I think, you know, it said genuine connection. I think even for me living here so long, and I say, you know, I can walk through Aaron a shopping fair and people smile and wave and my eldest son Zach, who's that and I'm like, I have no idea. You know what I mean? But that's, that's the case. That's what I love about the characters. You know, that's, that is the case. You can just <inaudible> they'll just talk to you if you had a bad game. Like, Oh, what happened? But they one side in a negative way, they'll just genuinely ask, you know, and that's, that's the case. That's the way it was. Speaker 2 16:24 Um, back then. I mean, now that results aren't the way they are, I'm not sure they still like that to players. I like to think so, but probably not all the time. But yeah, that's, I, I genuinely do love that about the case. Um, and it's probably one of the big reasons why we stayed here, you know? Um, and he has still get the odd occasional wave through the shopping center, which is good for the kids to laugh at. But it's great. I'll have that Kate waving. It's good that their dad was famous at some stages that right. Yeah. Apparently they probably don't always think that your favorite. So, um, so going back to, and I know it's not all about sort of and but you know the head coach is the head coach though. They sort of live by the sword, die by the sword and yet there was a strong coaching group and they had a lot of respect for each other. Speaker 2 17:09 What was the involvement with Arnie through the club and the and the coaching staff through the club. Yeah. Look, I mean he was obviously he would obviously run, have to organize our preseason around all the community work, which you know, he probably obviously wasn't always happy with but he understood that that is part of the Marin is this is what the Mariners do. So you being the coach, you need to organize around this cause this is a big part of what we are, who we are. And what we do. And yeah, like I said, he wasn't always happy about it, but he understood, he bought any, he knew that for the club to survive for the club to build a good foundation and ideally what's the point of doing only our training if we're getting two people to the stadium, you know, we need them to come out and support us. That's the only way the club's going to survive. Um, so we knew that and he knew that and he understood that and that's why he did it his best possible, a way to, to integrate that within our season and within our, within our pre season and to try and get the community on board and that connection as much as possible. So all that Speaker 1 18:22 engagement as and the importance about engaging the community was part of the culture, you know, people looking after each other and there was respect amongst the coaching staff in the players, you know, a strong bond with the playing group had really, I mean that obviously fabricated into some pretty decent results on the pitch. Speaker 2 18:38 Yeah, definitely. We had some fantastic years. And um, you know, like I said, even through those three years, there were times where we felt we weren't playing great football or whatever, you know. Um, but you know, we, we never really turn on each other. It was always that trust that we'd get out of it. Um, which I think good, good organizations or you know, whether it's sporting team or business, you know, you've got that trust with each other through those tough times, you know, that you can get through and then a lot of the time you genuinely do. Speaker 1 19:10 So let's, before we move on to the not so good days of Marin's and just, you know, you're experiencing contrasting some of these stuff you talked about, you just mentioned around sport and business and you know, you're running successful Academy Rose football Academy on the central coast, very well supported and you're just telling me you retained 100% of your previous, you know, client base from, from last year, which is absolutely fantastic for business. How has your sporting experiences both locally and internationally helped you in business? Speaker 2 19:42 I think it's helped massively in business. Um, I don't think I've changed too much of the sort of person I am. I'm pretty easy going sort of person I've got, you know, maybe I need to be a bit harder sometimes or I've realized, uh, which is probably helped me a little bit going into the business side and seeing how it works at times. But I, I don't want to change who I am too much. You know, who I am has got me to where I am today. So I'm not about to completely change who I am or, or my morals and my personality. So, you know, that that's helped me heaps. I think I provide a culture and environment where not only kids can express themselves and grow as people, whether that's with football and life in general, but I think I'll give my employees, my coaches that, um, you know, trust to talk to me and tell me. Speaker 2 20:39 And then, you know, I've got a head coach that will occasionally tell me I need to pull myself into line. And I love that fact that I've got that he's got faith and trust to be able to do that sometime, you know, to come to me and go, you know, what, just take maybe next to two days to training session. Do you just take a step back and just watch? Maybe you just need to relax a little bit, calm down. Maybe there's too much going on. And I love that, you know, and I can take a step back and know that, give him full control and he's, he's running everything and you know, the same principles all the way through. So I love the fact that I've created that environment and you know, that's, I think that's because I've just remained the same personality and the same morals from sport and business. Speaker 1 21:25 Yeah, that's brilliant. And I, I have to say to our listeners, I've visited Rose football Academy a couple of times, spent some time with you down there and you're definitely, what you're saying is true. There's a great feeling there. The kids are having a great time. You really building a strong environment, a strong culture. And obviously as I said, you know, you had 100% of your clientele return. So that's pretty good definition of success, right? Speaker 2 21:46 Yeah, yeah. No, no, it's good. It's, you know, we're, we're doing something right down there. I think, ah, the feedback's fantastic. And as with anything in business, you know, we just keep, keep working. Um, keep implementing new things, keep challenging and keep progressing as we go. Speaker 1 22:04 Let's talk about the Mariners currently or the, you know, I guess the, I'll say the second half of your stint, not necessarily when you returned from Melbourne city, but there was maybe a turning point in the Mariners or, or maybe what you started to see as a turning point where things were, things were changing, they weren't, the feel around the club wasn't as good. So can you tell us a bit about, about that and, and some of the changes that you saw? Speaker 2 22:28 Yeah. Look, obviously the first big change was probably results, results on the park, which, look, let's be honest, it doesn't really help everything else. Um, for a football club. Results on the page will really help everything else as it goes. But look, yeah, I think as we spoke offline, I think two of the biggest things for me that I noticed from the first few years to, to, to probably what's happening now and things like that is trust and fear. You know, trust from people in higher positions to, to, to trust people in their roles to, to try and change and implement new things that may or may not work. And then fear maybe there is that fear from those people that the trust is not there. So they have that fear maybe to keep things to the norm, which we know is not working now. Speaker 2 23:31 So they're too scared or they've got that fear where they don't, they don't have the trust to change or to implement new things. Whereas speaking from experience, I think if you've got trust, you've got, um, you, you've got a no fear to, to come out with new ideas to, to try and implement new things. And it's not so much of, no, that's not working. Go back to normal. It's, hang on, it might not be working, but how can we change that to maybe, you know, what they completely come up with might not be the answer, but they might be on the right track instead of just completely blocking it out. It's like, well, yeah, you're on the right track. Just not quite there. How can we work together to try and implement something that may work? So I think that that's where we're at now. Speaker 2 24:25 Maybe a little lack of trust, which instills fear in everyone from possibly the CEO to the, to the place. Um, so yeah, how do you change that? Is, uh, is something that, um, they possibly need to look at. I think you as a player, and again, you know, contrasting for the early days to, to then and you know, really valid points, you know, trust and fear, they, uh, they, they, for lack of trust and fear feed off each other. Yeah. What was the impact on you as a player? What was the impact you saw on your teammates and, and the impact on teamwork for your team? Actually winning games. Yeah. Look, I think as, uh, as applier, uh, you knew when Arnie was coach, it was his system. I think one of the biggest changes I noticed as a player was the coaches after Arnie were almost told how they were, had to play. Speaker 2 25:19 So then did we have the right players to play that system? Did we have, um, you know, the right foundations to instill that sort of game style and uh, come away with the right results because essentially you need results. So probably not come to think of it, but, um, at the time I think they were told that they need to play that style. So there was no trust in giving that coach a job and saying, okay, we'll give you your trust to, to coach the team and manage the team and to do a good job in PR and bring the club results. And then, um, it's just slowly Cannonball from now thing. And now you've got a situation where it's probably in dire straits and, and how can we change that? Now? It's a, it's a big long process now and just flowing that, but word trust and fear into, cause. Speaker 2 26:16 We spoke a little about community and the engagement you had as a player and all the other players in that sort of 2010 to two 1314 period. What's what's happening in the community with the Mariners now from an outsider looking in, I see personally very little engagement with the community. What's your feeling about this and the impact on trust within the community? Yeah, look, I mean look and we come back to it again. There are the results and obviously the community has got a big bigger disengagement now and it's only getting bigger every year. I feel with the results going the way they are. Look, the good thing is the central coast community. You always get that call base. As with any club, you've always got that core base through the tough times and let let's you know what kid kids, as much as they are kids, the young kids, I just love seeing the pliers. Speaker 2 27:09 The results for them are just the result. It probably comes a lot from the parents. On the drive home from the stadium, what fills their mind, you know, but the more the young kids see those players, the more they can relate to those players. So for me, instead of having fear of getting out in the community because of the results, I think they do a big push into the community. Let's go into that then. The, I guess you know, simply what you, you've, you've seen it, you've experienced it overseas locally. Uh, you've seen a lot of things for your football career. Some good, some not so good. If it was Josh Rose, you know, head of Sinterklaas Marin, a CEO, um, what would, what would you do? How would you change the approach that the Mariners are currently taking to get that glory days back? Look, first and foremost, uh, definitely connect to community again. Speaker 2 28:02 Uh, whether that's through majority of fan engagement days. Um, the old club nights that we used to do and look, they're not easy. It's a lot of work on the players. Uh, it's a lot of work on the coaching staff to implement that into a preseason, into a, into a, uh, a yearly schedule and probably, you know, recruitment. You need the right people to, to be able to connect the community. Well, I think we talked about Patrick's fan, so like offline a little bit. I mean like he, him engaging for the community. I mean he'll chew the year of anyone and he really bought into those sort of, you know, those sort of nights. He loved talking to people, he loved engaging with the community and you know, we need people like that. We need people. Um, and I'm not saying they're not there now w they probably just not been given an opportunity to, to show that they can do that now. Speaker 2 29:01 I think probably through lack of fear of getting out there and that, but look, I'd probably say central coast have the probably the most forgiving community out of every elite club, I don't think. Yeah. If you're a victory or one of those sort of clubs for one, you can't walk around town and probably even get recognized unless you're one of the top three. Um, we're here on the coast, you know, you get recognized either you get recognized. It's a community that wants to be involved. It's a community that feels like they can talk to the players whether good or bad. And I just wanna they just wanna you know, at the end of the day, I think it's just them letting the players know we do care, but we're here for you. You know, we're here for you. Just keep working and, and just, you know, give us a bit back. Speaker 2 29:52 And it's, it's interesting cause we're, when I look back and, and again, being fortunate enough to, to know you for a period of time, I had some involvement with the likes of Patrick and, and Gump C and, and quats and these sort of guys. And the real test for me around community is that when people are playing for a club and when they're not playing for a club, they're here what they're living. Actually most of these Mecca, I mean MCAS in Newcastle, but these guys are in the community. They stayed in the community. Some of them weren't, you know, they came from overseas, but they're, they're still living here. And that to me, that's a real test. Know about the, the essence and the fabric that was the central coast Mariners in those days when you were there compared to toenail. I think there's people the place in becoming an outage, just a job for them. It's not a community thing. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you're going to add Monte to that list. Um, heart, she'd still be here I think, and he probably can't wait for the day he comes back. But yeah, I mean, Patrick can't get rid of him. <inaudible> Speaker 2 30:55 so yeah, definitely 100% agree with that. I signed the two year contract and then the plan probably was to move back to Brisbane or whatever, you know, I don't know. And yeah, I think by the first six months we weren't going anywhere. You know, that's the way it was. Um, and a lot of the boys back then, the, the people coming in, they saw that people had been here for five or six years and then you, you've probably got an in Nessus where the fee comes in. You, you can probably say that the security was a bit better back then because you got guys there that have been, he's been here for five or six years. It's nothing special. I go, well I'll sit here and, and me and all, it's nothing special. I gave 100% every day and I did my job and I was lucky enough to work under a good manager, but by no means was I anything special. Speaker 2 31:46 But I carved out a long successful time because of just doing the simple things. Well and you know, and I think that gave people a little bit of confidence in going, you know, you know, maybe if I work hard I can stay here for a couple of years. It's not a bad place to live. It's quite good and we weren't successful club at the time. And you know, I think we can get back to that. So what is your hope as an ex player? What is your hope for the Mariners moving forward? Oh look, I've got, I've got three young boys that love their football and actually can kick a ball around a bit better than me then I could have at their age. So you know, I cannot wait to see them in a marriage Jersey. First and foremost. I want the club to be successful for a long time. Speaker 2 32:33 You know, I want it to be sustainable. Like let's be honest, he can't keep bleeding money, so he does need to become sustainable. Secondly, then we build on the competitive side. We need to be competitive to, to engage a community. You know, we need to really bring that back. But you know, I think, I think we touched on this as well, a few home grown players would be fantastic to help engage that community as well, which I think they've slowly done with Lewis Mueller and his coupler. Good young youth, lean players now coming through. But yeah, just a, a good solid club, you know, that's what I want. I want, like I said, I can't wait for to see my boys in America's Jersey. You know, I want them to, to relive my emotions about playing for the Mariners and, uh, you know, they might not be winning things or that, but just the feeling of putting on the Jersey and representing the community and, and things like that. Speaker 2 33:30 I want them to feel that when they put on the Jersey. And that's, like I said, it comes down to sometimes the parents driving home from the stadium, the negative talk and things like that. Um, you know, through everything I've constantly told my boys that, you know, the Mariners and they're an Island club, they're, they're professional club right in our backyard. You know, we need to support this. We need to work together. And I hope that we can, uh, you know, that they can implement things that will help us be more competitive and, and grow as a, as an organization. Speaker 1 34:07 And w we hope to have an elite club and a professional sporting team on the coast for many, many, many years to come. Rise. Definitely. Definitely my as a funnel sort of close off. How about you? If you're okay with it, let, let listeners know how they can get in touch with you if they want to ask you any questions around, you know, what you've really thankfully shared with our listeners today, Josh at Rose football Speaker 2 34:30 Academy. Um, email through any questions. So I'm happy to chat about anything. You know, I love talking about leadership, whether you've got kids in, in football and want to know direction more to go, I'm happy to chat about football or you know, development stages, things like that. Excellent light. Anyway, thank Speaker 1 34:47 you very much for sharing your thoughts and I know that you know, we focused a lot on your experiences at the Mariners and for me I found it absolutely fascinating talking to an Explorer and just understanding, I guess the workings in those early days versus now and your experiences. I thank you very much for sharing those. There's another opportunity and you know, the stuff that you're doing through Rose football Academy is, is fantastic. As I said earlier, I've been up there a couple of times seeing you in action. What you're doing, the love that the kids are getting for the game, which is, you know, again, up to, you know, thanks to you and, and cause you, you're doing fantastic things. So I think there's another episode in itself just to talk about the culture you're building in your own organization. You've got complete control of and, and the trust you've built in the, the engagement, the group. So, but as far as this conversation goes, Matt, I really want to say thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it. It's amazing. I really had no, when we first met 20 years ago that we'd be sitting across the room at each other and doing a podcast together. We've had 20 years for this moment. Yeah, definitely. So mate, thank you again. Really appreciate your time. Not a problem, Brandon. Thanks man. Speaker 0 35:51 <inaudible> Speaker 1 35:54 I hope you enjoyed my chat with Josh Rose today. Josh really has a wonderful insight given his experiences at the Marin is during the glory days and the not so glory days. I'd like to share my top three takeaways from my chat with Josh. The first takeaway I'd like to share is, Josh talked about the fact that the playing group loved coming to work. They loved coming to the training grant and spending time with each other. It wasn't necessarily about them being all best mates off the pitch on the field. They had a level of trust and respect for each other and they would knew that. They knew that they would do anything to help each other as teammates. Everyone knew each other as real people. They knew what was happening in each other's lives. They would organize get togethers for the players and their families and the players also spent time with each other in the community. Speaker 1 36:41 So they really had a lot of opportunity to spend quality time with each other, not only on the plane pitch but outside of the plane pitch where they got to know each other and they enjoyed each other's company and that really helped drive a positive culture at the Mariners in the glory days. My second takeaway was really random leadership and Josh talks specifically about the leader, Graham Arnold and the coaching staff, genuinely caring about the pliers. I love the story that Josh shared about Graham Arnold, where Arnie paid some of the younger players out of his own pocket when the mirrors were having some financial difficulties and not able to pay the players. It really showed a level of support and care for the players. And he also had constant conversation with the players. He looked after them, he sheltered them from some of the issues in the club so that the team and the players could focus on their job at Hain winning football matches. Speaker 1 37:38 The final point which I took away from the conversation with Josh was really around teamwork. And Josh talked about trust and fear and in particularly mentioned during the tough times and the not so glory days at the Mariners, there was a real lack of trust which instilled fear in everybody. And it's so true when people in a team don't trust each other, fear comes through, they're fearful of sharing new ideas, they fearful of trying new things, of implementing new things. They fearful of providing feedback to each other and it really drives a terrible culture and it really works against the concept of teamwork. And building high performing teams. They were my three key takeaways. After talking with Josh culture, people loved coming to work and spending time with each other. Leadership, the leader and the coaching staff genuinely about the players and teamwork, trust and fear. Speaker 1 38:40 A high level of trust in so important because it takes fear away when you don't have trust. Fear builds in the group which works against the idea of building high performing teams. I hope you enjoyed those takeaways. Please think of that in relation to your own work environment and how it can help you. If you have any questions about what you've heard in this episode today or generally, any questions around culture, leadership, and teamwork or any feedback you'd like to send me about future episodes and what you'd like to hear on the culture of things podcast, please send me an [email protected] Dot. <inaudible>. Until next time, Speaker 0 39:20 thank you for listening to the culture things podcast with Brendan Rodgers. Please visit Brendan rodgers.com dot. AAU to access the show notes. If he loved the culture things podcast, please subscribe, right? And give a review on Apple podcasts and remember, a healthy culture is your competitive advantage.

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